First tournament

[Umbreunatic]

It has been long ago since we discussed tournaments, but now they will really start! I want to start the first tournament in January, you can sign in till the 5th of January.

What will we do in this tournament? Battle of course. But you want to know what the rules are?

First we don't allow ubers in this tournament. We also have a legend restriction of 2, meaning you can only use 2 legends in your team. Using the same pokemon more than 1 time is allowed.

Second levels, we will battle over wifi, and wifi will lift the level of our pokemon to level 100.

Battle style, we will battle single and double battles. But there will be more single battles than double battles. It is like a 2:1 ratio.

Battle rules, we will have the normall sleep clause (meaning that not more than one pokemon can be assleep), this means that when you make some of your opponents pokemon assleep while one is assleep, you will lose. Of course in double battles it won't count if your opponent uses rest and you use sleep powder on the other pokemon in the same turn.

And if you use rest if one of your pokemon is already assleep, then it doesn't mean you opponent lost. This is the only exception of the sleep clause.

I can't and won't say it for freeze, since freeze is totally because of HAX.

OHKO moves are not allowed. All other moves are allowed.

Basicly this are the rules but be aware of changes in the rules.

We will to try to arrange some in game prizes for the winning people.



Participants:

Umbreunatic
pajama
Justin
MDF
Volteon

Scores :

pajama vs Justin
pajama vs MDF
pajama vs Volteon
pajama vs Umbreunatic

Justin vs pajama
Justin vs MDF
Justin vs Volteon
Justin vs Umbreunatic

MDF vs pajama
MDF vs Justin
MDF vs Volteon
MDF vs Umbreunatic

Volteon vs pajama
Volteon vs Justin
Volteon vs MDF
Volteon vs Umbreunatic

Umbreunatic vs pajama
Umbreunatic vs Justin
Umbreunatic vs MDF
Umbreunatic vs Volteon

[pajama]

I would like to join. Although I've got 1 question. What tier list are we using?

[Umbreunatic]

Hehe the most well known one, Smogon. Maybe I should find a link but I think everybody is familiar with Smogon right?

[Comis Patronus]

I'll join in-as a challenger. XP

And let's use Battle Tower rules. Tier rules by Smogon are mixed up. :(

[Umbreunatic]

What are those rules then?

[Comis Patronus]

Um...basically the uber legendaries are banned except the Lati@s although they can't use Soul Dew. Oh and no hax items and DT'ing. No hacks either (NO HALF-LEGITS)...no cloned Pokemon.
Has to be all legit and fair. :P

[Umbreunatic]

About the battle tower rules, I think they are okay. But I dunno about hax items and DT-ing.

And with cloning I want to say, I think it should be allowed, if people hate it that other people use pokemon they bred then they shouldn't have made clones for them. Or must not have made deals with people they can't trust. I know some people that just clone their pokemon to give it multiple move sets so they can't be predicted easily. So I think it should be allowed.

But HAXing, I am still thinking of that since actually if you send Froslass in a Hail storm it is the same as one time DT or Bright powder IIRC. Same goes for thinks like Bad luck, in fact it is the same effect as Scope Lens. And would be the magnifying glass (or what ever it is called) be an hax items since it raises accuracy?

Oh and last but not least, of course if by this the Lati@s can be used they still fall under the legend rule.

[Comis Patronus]

I guess so...but stalling a battle will take forever. :/

[Umbreunatic]

I know but a lot of pokemon can learn moves that have 100% accuracy, and take Thunder in a rain dance, then it also always hit. Anyway I wanted to do that so we don't have a so much restrictions.

Btw I change the date a bit since we are now with 3 people. We must get more challengers.

[Fang]

OK umb! because you're such a pain is the *** I'll join ;)

[Volteon]

I made a thread about standard rules people play in wi-fi.
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=290790
Not sure if you'll all agree, but just pointing.

And I'm joining! =D

EDIT:
100th post ftw!

[Umbreunatic]

I read it Volteon: and I will only react to the standard rules:

Sleep Clause : Yes

Species Clause : I would say no, since it can confuse people. And it also makes someone's team weaker, since he has two pokemon weak to the same moves.

Evasion Clause : I would say no, since sandstorm and hail already make some pokemon harder to hit (equal to one double team IIRC) so I think it is more fair if we all can make use of higher evasion, above that some moves (but most of them aren't used at all can hit 100%)

OHKO Clause : Yes, we shouldn't allow OHKO's

No Hacks : No hacks, with that I agree, but I think we can't determine if some pokemon's parents are hacked, so I think it is better to just allow all none hacked pokemon

No Ubers : clear and I have to say I agree on this. With addition to what I said before, I would say the Lati@s are still usable (as long as they don't have soul dex), and Fione (is not allowed in Battle tower) is also usable.

No Hax Items I understand it, but I think it is a bit "hard" since it makes people can't use abilties as sniper and bad luck, I mean for example the critical hit items are sort of perfect with addition of sniper etc. So I want to make this rule discussable.

No Disconnecting : with that I have to agree, and if people do disconnect, it means they lost.

About the itemclause, I was thinking about that one to add. And you can't use Selfdestruct perish song or explosion to win the match.

About legendaries, we have the rule that allow only 2 legendaries per team!

[Comis Patronus]

But...what if the person uses a router that's weak...don't we have to take that into consideration?

~@};-

[Umbreunatic]

I know that, but I kinda think it is his own fault if something happends then, since he (or she of course) is already aware of it (at leats I suppose so). We just try to have some good fair matches. Since we can't check routers, (I mean we can't send over to watch if some is right) we can't think about it I suppose.

Btw tomorrow morning (for me; that means like 12 hours from now) I will make a match schedule. If it stays like this (5 entrants) then we would have a poule. But if we get one more it would be different. With 7 it would be one poule of 3 and the winner of them will face the best of the other 4. That person will be choosen by a normall tournament three with 4 entrants.

And for 8 it will be just a standard tournament tree. Lets try to get some more people to join. :)

[Volteon]

I read it Volteon: and I will only react to the standard rules:

Sleep Clause : Yes

Species Clause : I would say no, since it can confuse people. And it also makes someone's team weaker, since he has two pokemon weak to the same moves.
Species clause avoids the use of two of the same Pokémon, didn't really understand what you said based on species clause. And that's a default rule in all tourneys and in Pokémon games.

Evasion Clause : I would say no, since sandstorm and hail already make some pokemon harder to hit (equal to one double team IIRC) so I think it is more fair if we all can make use of higher evasion, above that some moves (but most of them aren't used at all can hit 100%)
Just two commonly used Pokémon have Sand Veil, and one Snow Cloak. So, that's three Pokémon (Gliscor, Garchomp, Mamoswine) among over 200. Of course there're more with an ability like that, but them and nothing is the same, where I wanna reach is, Pokémon game is already VERY luck based, Critical hits, Flinch, added effect, accuracy, damage rate, among others. Make all Pokémon be able to increase the cheapest stat just because of three Pokémon is bad.

OHKO Clause : Yes, we shouldn't allow OHKO's

No Hacks : No hacks, with that I agree, but I think we can't determine if some pokemon's parents are hacked, so I think it is better to just allow all none hacked pokemon

No Ubers : clear and I have to say I agree on this. With addition to what I said before, I would say the Lati@s are still usable (as long as they don't have soul dex), and Fione (is not allowed in Battle tower) is also usable.
Humm...not completely sure, but you're aware that SpecsMence is one of the best special sweppers now right? now imagine SpecsMence, but with 20 more sp atk, 10 more speed, higher S.def, no Stealth Rock weakness, a 2x weakness to ice instead of 4, etc. That's Latios in OU, without Soul Dew. Anyways, even without Soul Dew, their movepool is just too massive and has too good of stats in the needed places. With the right attacks, Lati twin can counter our best special wall aka Blissey. Also, Calm Mind does exactly the same thing as Soul Dew. Not to count that it can also Recover, our best recovering mean many Pokémon pray to have. Lati@s are in the top of every Uber tier list.

No Hax Items I understand it, but I think it is a bit "hard" since it makes people can't use abilties as sniper and bad luck, I mean for example the critical hit items are sort of perfect with addition of sniper etc. So I want to make this rule discussable.
Abilities =/= item. It's like, Absol was made to have a Sucker Punch with the same critical hit ratio as Leaf Blade since it has that ability for it. Unlike, let's say, Weavile. It's Ice Punch wasn't made to have the same critical Hit ratio as Leaf Blade. (Anyways, Sniper just makes Critical Hit be 3x instead of 2x)
Quick Claw the top of Hax items, almost tied with King's Rock. Shuckle wasn't made to move first than Ninjask. And Ice Punch wasn't made to have Headbutt's Flinch rate.
BrightPowder is a classic in terms of Hax items as well, Shadow Ball, Close Combat, Pursuit, etc weren't made to miss.
And like I said before, Pokémon games are already VERY luck based. Adding more luck in the game won't show skill. and that's what a championship winner has. Skill, not luck.

No Disconnecting : with that I have to agree, and if people do disconnect, it means they lost.

About the itemclause, I was thinking about that one to add. And you can't use Selfdestruct perish song or explosion to win the match.
The SelfKO rule is about forcing a tie with a sacrificing move. Not about just winning it.

About legendaries, we have the rule that allow only 2 legendaries per team!

Check the Bold!

§Justin§ is rigth about this diconnecting. But if opponent's router is bad, it'll still be bad in all the future possible rematches. Also we have a Judge "team" for this right?

[Umbreunatic]

I have to agree with all, but the "hax items" and the "hax moves". But I want to say, in this tournament we probably don't have to bann DT, I mean nobody will use it, I guess.

For the items. I am okay with doing it (so disallowing hax items) but I don't want to make it standard.

I am okay with the species clause, but what I meant to say, is that if you allow it, people can have 1+ (for example) Dophan (just an example..) which makes their team weaker to water grass and ice.. But anyway we disallow the use of the same specie (in a match). Since of course it is allowed to use two the same (specie) pokemon in this tournamnt as long as you don't use them in the same team. (since we are allowed to switch pokemon after matches).

The tournament has started with us 5 meaning we have a poule, if you don't understand the rules (since they are a mess). Ask me in this thread. Most of the rules stand in the first post though, and consider Volteon's post an addition to those rules ^

Since we are a poule of 5 people I would say to you all exchange "battle data" like time (please do it in the time they have in England) and the day to battle. I expect both winners and people that lost their matches to give the result. This doesn't have to be precise (like 6-0) but more like he won.

Each time a person wins he earns 3 points, when people make a draw this will be 1 point (you can get a draw because of hail and some other moves...) lose means you get 0 points. I will add it in the first post.

[Umbreunatic]

I think it will be good to really do the matches one day soon. At least I will try to contact all 4 of you to have a battle!

[Umbreunatic]

Justin vs Umb (Justin won)

Volteon vs Umb (Volteon won)

[Comis Patronus]

Volteon beat me lol-it was a great match.

~@};-

[Umbreunatic]

Then it means that :

Volteon has 6 points,
Justin has 3 points,

And the others have zero.

[green salamence]

Is it too late to join?

[Comis Patronus]

Nope-never too late. :D

~@};-

[green salamence]

Good.Then I'm joining the fight!

[Comis Patronus]

The next time you're on, we should battle.

~@};-

[green salamence]

Done. I'm an advanced, not really a big professional, but enough to kick butt.

[Umbreunatic]

Hey I am closing this, since we never came to this :( It is going to be restarted though!