Abortion.

[Careful With That Axe, Pichu]

Share your thoughts on the action taken against teen pregnancy.

[Protest The Hero]

Touchy subject :O


I am against it.

but NOT because I think its immoral or against the bible or anything like that. It has become apparent a while back that I am an as*hole. Cause I believe that teens who get pregnant should keep it as a "lesson" and "punishment" for wanting to have a good time.

But thats just me D: (God, I might get flammed for this)

[Careful With That Axe, Pichu]

What about rape? We are not only talking about irresponsible teenagers, but also of rape victims.

[Protest The Hero]

Rape always complicates things.

Obviously my view was not full proof, and I cant say much about with to do with rape victims. Yes, they should have an abortion, we would need some proof. Cause I have seen some very messed up stuff. A friend of mine went to Juvanille Hall cause a girl said he rapped her, dispite her had telling him that it was consentual (they were both under 18 at the time) the jury apparently found her story more believable and sent my friend to juvie. Luckily, the cops caught on about her story(she kept on changing it) and further investigated it(which they should have been doing since the begining) and finally found out the truth and set my friend free.

Anyways, my view, if it can be proved, then ok, no? sorry, the law we have now is still just as crappy, and if the Republican/Christians have their way, there will probably be NO abortions at all.

[Careful With That Axe, Pichu]

If Christians have their way? if restrictions against issues like abortion even after rape are taken by a government based merely on a theologic morality, then that country becomes a fascist theocracy.

I believe abortion should be allowed after rape. Even though, I'd still not encourage it, and consider giving the child for adoption if the victim found herself in a difficult economical or academic situation, and could not give the child proper attention and care, or viceversa.

[the grimm]

the big problem with abortion is you're talking about a living person.
let's say abortion only gets legal after rape. but then, think about teenagers who become parents, and, more inportant the baby itself. at their age, they're probably not capable of raising it properly. a baby takes money and time, loads of it. than you can say it's a punishment, but it's also a punishment for the baby, wich did nothing wrong.

and there's the problem. wouldn't it be better for that baby to, well, die? you don't know, because you can't see the future.

that's why abortion should stay legal. the parents can decide the best i think. and isn't being forced to choose about life or death punishment enough in that case?


small, very stupid note: i couldn't suppress a childish giggle when first reading "abortion", and right below it "carefull with that axe, pichu"

[Protest The Hero]

You have brought up a good point. I have never thought that far into it.

Well, at least I did my job and got somebody else to post here

I already voiced my thoughts on the matter (me and my half-assed ideas, like a true Democrat ^^; )

[Sharp]

Has always been a subject I've thought about and I've always said that if it means the child will lead an unhappy life due to financial issues, family issues etc then bringing the baby into the world is something that can be regrettable and thus must be thought about.

Sometimes it has to be done due to the fact a single parent will struggle to bring him/her up correctly.

[Saruki]

I'm not. So people say that killing a living thing is wrong, but people kill living things every day. Like cows. Like chickens. Why are humans any different? Just because we have a bigger brain and IQ? Maybe it's because we populate the world over. Take this in retrospect. If you are a sixteen year old teenage mother, and you cannot manage a child, you will want to abort. It's not wrong, it's your choice.

[Neal]

the big problem with abortion is you're talking about a living person.
Refusing to have sex with someone must be an abortion then. Because, when you refuse to have sex with someone, the "living person" would eventually die since it won't ever be born.

Or in other words, the outside-the-box thinking is we're not considering these particular cases to be, "a living person." Before that, there's fetus. Before that, there's zygote. Before that, there's sperm and egg.

let's say abortion only gets legal after rape. but then, think about teenagers who become parents, and, more inportant the baby itself. at their age, they're probably not capable of raising it properly. a baby takes money and time, loads of it. than you can say it's a punishment, but it's also a punishment for the baby, wich did nothing wrong.

and there's the problem. wouldn't it be better for that baby to, well, die? you don't know, because you can't see the future.
In the future, everyone dies. I'm 100% certain that I *know* the future that we will all die.

that's why abortion should stay legal. the parents can decide the best i think. and isn't being forced to choose about life or death punishment enough in that case?

small, very stupid note: i couldn't suppress a childish giggle when first reading "abortion", and right below it "carefull with that axe, pichu"

[ino]

I don't really think teen pregnancey is good, and the reason why is because every time I hear that someone is pregnant in their teens, I always hear that it ends in abortion...

I also think that abortion is cruel since that ills the baby...(duh...)

[SlipKnoT]

A woman should have the right to do with her body what she wishes. If she isn't ready for a baby, or can't properly provide for it, or can't take the pain of childbirth, she should be able to get an abortion.

[Crystal Walrein]

Ooh, flamewar material.

There are two sides of the issue: the economic situation of the woman carrying the foetus and that pregnancy at a time when the woman can ill afford it is a fault of society. On one hand, you have a girl who was raped and whose pregnancy could detriment her education or career; on the other, you have what is essentially a living organism manifesting in the womb. Depending on whom you ask, each side is going to carry about the same weight — should we rush to protect every innocent child, or should we let a woman get on with her life?

Personally, I think abortion is a horrible method of birth control — seeing as it's not only solemn approval of having unprotected sex left and right or the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, but also the fact that it's extremely painful — and it really should serve as a terminus to someone's sexual activity rather than a cushion. However, this doesn't mean I have no problems with encouraging women to give birth to, let alone keep, a baby they carried as a result of rape or even a night after knocking back a few Hennesseys. It has been shown that babies born from rape or when the mother is unable to provide for the child grow up with either developmental problems or to be criminals more often than babies born to parents who really wanted them. Consider:


Romania's ban on abortion during the reign of Nicolae Ceaușescu: The country's birth rate quadrupled, but combined with the government moving poor farming families into apartment blocks in a bid to increase industry, the babies who would have otherwise been aborted turned into criminals, hardened by the lack of love of a mother who really wanted her child. (The argument could stand that many of these young Romanians had become so resentful of Ceaușescu that they helped to capture and execute him and his wife on Christmas Day.)
The ban on abortion in Nicaragua: In 2006, the Nicaraguan government imposed a ban on all abortions, irrespective of whether the mother was raped or could suffer from complications due to pregnancy. Although the move was welcomed by many in the predominantly Catholic nation as a victory for life, it only made things worse for women. In this BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7041048.stm), a girl was raped twice by a man who stalked her home day and night and enjoyed the fact that she couldn't do anything about what he did to her. The first time she fell pregnant to him, she kept the baby; the second time she had to shell out for a potentially dangerous back-alley abortion.

I am also critical of the current programme championed by the Bush administration in which abstinence is emphasised in sex education more than safe sex. This approach to sex education may seem like it cuts out any excuse for having sex before marriage, but when you're drunk and out late at a party, you're not going to use your best judgment when deciding whether to do that guy you've just met on the nightclub floor. Worse yet is that it doesn't do enough about the problem of girls trying to have a baby just to get away and to have someone look after them when they get older; not only is that a ruined childhood for the kid, but it's a gamble when you're dealing with your education and career. That boy from college you admire might seem like a ticket out of what you think is a bad life with the parents, but you never know whether the boy will just leave you when he decides it's no longer fun to have sex with you.

The current agenda in government might be to save babies, but the way they're going about it puts unnecessary pressure on women to give birth. I think this could be due to the aim of populating the ends of the earth, which any religion will emphasise, but economically and psychologically this is unfeasible. If the government truly wants to reduce the number of abortions, they will need to think beyond just invoking a law prohibiting them or overturning Roe v Wade, but coming up with initiatives to make sure that children have a better world to be born into. Luckily, more and more people truly want to have a family complete with children, so this is really taking care of itself.