Why not just change the word marriage for gay/lesbians?

[Comis Patronus]

I, personally, would never support gay marriage (being straight and Catholic) but if it were to be, why not just change the "union name" to something else? There's no harm in changing it since it takes out the excuse "marriage is the union between a man and a woman."

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[Sharp]

It would be a good idea since it does seperate them, however it carries the possibility of causing conflict depending on how people react to the change.

[~Fantastic_Gary~]

I am against that, if we change the word, then we will point out the difference to much. In my eyes a marriage is a bound between people, a bound that will carry on till the death, of course divorce is an exception of that rule. But mariage shows to me, that you love eachother so much that you want to share the rest of your life with this person.

I have looked it up in Dutch vocabulary, it said marriage is an official an according to the laws arrangement between two people. It clearly said people and not man and woman over here.

That is also how I think about it. I also think that if you give it an other name for mariage between two people of the same gender, then we would have a sort of discrimination. People will "hate" that other word, when they are against gay people.

Btw does this also mean that the marriage between two guys has to be named different then the mariages between two women? Since that is a difference aswell.

And what if one of the people is bisexual do we then have to name it different since (s)he likes guys and girls but is marrying a person of the same gender?

Basicly the italized part is my biggest reason to say no to it, it would cause a sort discrimination.

[Sharp]

I wouldn't call it Discrimination but I would say many people would be insulted depending on how it's taken into heart. Some people may not be fussed.

[~Fantastic_Gary~]

I would still call it discrimination, since you are making two things that are actually the same, so different. By chaging such a word.

Btw how would we ever choose such word, I mean one person decides it? and then we have to use that, I can't see that happening over here tbh.

But here we even had (only one though) a marriage of a guy with two woman ( the woman only shared the guy, they did not have an other relation with each other then a friendship, and sharing that guy)

Anyway. I find it wrong, since it basicly is a way to give the people that have a heterosexual relationship a privilege of using that word.

[Sharp]

If you look at it in the way of something like confusing people then maybe it is a good idea. For example if you say you're married but to someone of the same gender then the person you're telling may automatically presume to someone of the opposite gender.

A new name would give the homosexual marriage a new beginning. Something so we can communicate better with.

[~Fantastic_Gary~]

I don't think it will give a new begining, probably the people that have to "do" the marriages will refuses to do the gay marriages, since it are no marriages. They then have more reason to refuse since they can say we only do marriages, so no need for gay people here. Then what?

Make new places for gay people to "marry" then people that are against gay people, will obviously try to do stuff there. To show they are against homosexual people.

I think it is not a good idea, to get those to things apart.

[Sharp]

Obviously there are problems with the Church and all but to solve that would be to have the marriages in seperate areas going by different names. The Church etc wouldn't be able to have a say in the matter.

[~Fantastic_Gary~]

I mean there are people that are really against it, for no good reason at all. If you then put all gay marriages on limited spots different form other marriages , in a country, then they are for sure to be the victims of people that will set the building on fire etc.

There are really people that do such things.

Anyway I really think it is a bad idea to do so.

[Sharp]

That is the problem with how certain people will react however you could have the marriages in heavily guarded areas. This would lower any risk.

[~Fantastic_Gary~]

One thing I had to say in the beging, since it is something that is very important.

Marriage and Religion don't have to be combinated at all, marriage is not always religious. A lot of marriages are not even based on a religion at all.

I can understand that Catholic marriages are purely between two people of the opposite gender.

But that doesn't mean all marriages are. The word marriage really means a commitment between two people, nothing more nothing less. So I don't see why that should be changed, so that marriage is purely about heterosexual marriages.

[Sharp]

Correct, but doesn't it go down on the marriage register as religeous based?

[~Fantastic_Gary~]

I know that in the Netherlands you can marry for the Church and for the law.

If you marry for the law it won't be a point at all, seeing all people have the same rights.

[Sharp]

The only real way of turning all marriages for equal is to erase the hate from the Church's and it's followers. But that is somewhat an impossible task.

[Comis Patronus]

I can understand that Catholic marriages are purely between two people of the opposite gender.
The thing is, a lot of gays/lesbians have a religion so that's why this is an issue. :(
There are gays/lesbians wanting to get married in a Church which is what I think, is destroying the world today. They could just get "married" in court and not push it to marriage. >__>
Imo, religion is a point of conflict as many people know the power of its influence even to atheists. :(

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[~Fantastic_Gary~]

I see the problem, a bit, but I think that is only with a few "parts" of religions, like Catholic. Since, if I say it right, a marriage for a catholic church means, a marriage between a man and woman.

But in some other religions a marriage between two homosexuals, is not "wrong". And thus I think the word in general doesn't needs to be changed.

The best I think, is to just have a word in front of marriage to indicate it is between two men/women, but that people can know they will say that themselves.

So if they are catholic and gay, and marry, and if they because of their religion, want to let people know they are married but not under the man and woman "rules" of the church, then they must say they have a .... (insert a thing there) marriage.

Since I think the word marriage must be unchanged, since it is not an element of a religion (also not form all religions). Here are enough people that only marry for the law and not for the church/moskee/ etc.

[Sharp]

Yes, you could add a word to the front of marriage or you could also change the word to something like "Harriage". Something along those lines wouldn't really change anything since it sounds quite similar.

[Comis Patronus]

That sounds like a good idea...seriously, a person in the government or something should be reading this debate. XD

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[Crystal Walrein]

Changing the word legally in theory is good, but there are several implications where simply changing the term would be more cumbersome than helpful. For example, someone might have written a will in which someone inherits if they marry. There would be relatives who would maintain, if the person inheriting was gay or lesbian, that a resultant 'union' wouldn't constitute enough to get the inheritance. The same could apply in applying for government assistance or the terms of a labour contract.

I firmly believe that the only way to solve the problem is to relegate the appointment of marriage to the government and leave any receptions or such to the community sector.

[Saruki]

What is wrong with homosexual people? They can keep the world marriage. Some of you on this forum are being very discriminatory on this subject. So if a man loves a man and a woman loves a woman, that isn't wrong. It's love. And marriage is for anybody who loves their other part and want to live together forever.

[Comis Patronus]

It's just tradition and helping to improve the problem-it's not that we're trying to discriminate (of course that isn't right) but we're trying to solve an issue.

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[Saruki]

It's just tradition and helping to improve the problem-it's not that we're trying to discriminate (of course that isn't right) but we're trying to solve an issue.

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So you're trying to solve an issue by making another word for gay marriage? I think that would offend many homosexual people, and lead them to believe that you are discriminating against them.

[Comis Patronus]

It kinda depends on your point-we have a reason for this. It's to please both heterosexual and homosexual couples-at a majority. Some people might not like it but it's the majority that counts-not the minority. Nothing will be solved if nothing is done.

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[Saruki]

It kinda depends on your point-we have a reason for this. It's to please both heterosexual and homosexual couples-at a majority. Some people might not like it but it's the majority that counts-not the minority. Nothing will be solved if nothing is done.

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I don't really think that homosexual people care about another word for their marriage, though. We can call it gay marriage, or just plain marriage. But the point of marriage is to be together, right? Why do you need a whole other word for it just because you're gay?

[Comis Patronus]

It's because marriage (and a lot of modern words) are rooted in Catholic tradition (and other faiths)-I was just thinking that since a lot of people with religion don't like the fact that a sacred word (being a sacrament), is being perversed and used for homosexuals. After all, it is defined as being for a man and a woman.

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[Saruki]

It's because marriage (and a lot of modern words) are rooted in Catholic tradition (and other faiths)-I was just thinking that since a lot of people with religion don't like the fact that a sacred word (being a sacrament), is being perversed and used for homosexuals. After all, it is defined as being for a man and a woman.

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Isn't only matrimony Catholic? Marriage is a word coming from it, yes, but why can't other people use it freely? People talk about the Buddha freely, but they don't really know that Buddha came from India. They think he came from China. You know, maybe some extremists do think that, so we should change the word. But to what? If you really do want to change it, you'd need opinions from gay couples too.

[Comis Patronus]

Which is why this debate was made. :(

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[Saruki]

Which is why this debate was made. :(

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Which is why I also think it's rude to gay people. :p

[Comis Patronus]

XDD
I was hoping at least one homosexual person would respond to this and reply with his/her thoughts. :(

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[Saruki]

XDD
I was hoping at least one homosexual person would respond to this and reply with his/her thoughts. :(

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I don't think there are any on this forum... but I've seen rowdier. I've seen people go absolutely crazy on someone for not agreeing with homosexuality.

[Sharp]

Wars between straight and gay people do exist, many of the time this results in one side of the party not getting what the other does. Most of it is religeon based.

[SlipKnoT]

There are gays/lesbians wanting to get married in a Church which is what I think, is destroying the world today.
You're one of the biggest assholes I've seen in a while. You're close minded enough to think that gays and lesbians getting married is hurting the world? You think that because someone was born, and cares for people of the same sex, they shouldn't have equal rights? That's terrible, I would expect better from you.

I for calling gay marriage "marriage", just regular marriage. I believe in equal rights, giving gay marriage another name is as cruel as changing the name of marriage for two black/Asian/Mexican/ect. people because of their race. It just seems wrong to me.

Sorry if I sound mean, but that post really pissed be off.

And for the record, I'm heterosexual (straight).

[Saruki]

You're one of the biggest assholes I've seen in a while. You're close minded enough to think that gays and lesbians getting married is hurting the world? You think that because someone was born, and cares for people of the same sex, they shouldn't have equal rights? That's terrible, I would expect better from you.

I for calling gay marriage "marriage", just regular marriage. I believe in equal rights, giving gay marriage another name is as cruel as changing the name of marriage for two black/Asian/Mexican/ect. people because of their race. It just seems wrong to me.

Sorry if I sound mean, but that post really pissed be off.

And for the record, I'm heterosexual (straight).

I agree with you for the most part, but you really don't have to insult. One rule about debating: don't insult your opponent. It agitates me as much as you; I have homosexual friends who get bullied everyday about it.

But yeah, homosexual people have enough right to use the word marriage for themselves, too.

[Comis Patronus]

You're one of the biggest assholes I've seen in a while. You're close minded enough to think that gays and lesbians getting married is hurting the world? You think that because someone was born, and cares for people of the same sex, they shouldn't have equal rights? That's terrible, I would expect better from you.

I for calling gay marriage "marriage", just regular marriage. I believe in equal rights, giving gay marriage another name is as cruel as changing the name of marriage for two black/Asian/Mexican/ect. people because of their race. It just seems wrong to me.

Sorry if I sound mean, but that post really pissed be off.

And for the record, I'm heterosexual (straight).
Someone really takes this thing too seriously. :(

Anyway, it's not the same thing as race as race IS natural and has always been natural.

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[the grimm]

changing the word doesn't seem like a good idea to me. because, won't it remove the feeling a marriage has? a marriage is something special, meaning you want to live with that person forever. renaming for the case of homosexuality removes that magic IMO..

'the most logic thing to me always seemed this: you always marry twice when you marry; for your religion, and "officially", for the state. and it is said many, many times that religion and politic should be kept devided.
this way i can't see why a man can't marry a man or a woman can't marry a woman for the state. marrying for your religion if homosexuality is forbitten by that relihion is something different of course.